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I think universalism is the most biblically defensible view by far.

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Another trouble with the, "You send yourself to Hell and God is just allowing you to make your free decision," view is that God doesn't allow you to make the free decision to leave Hell. Supposedly, once you're there, it's impossible to escape for all of eternity. But if God is just allowing you to choose Hell out of your own free will, surely he would allow you to leave as well.

There are two common ways that people respond to this. One is the, "Hell is locked from the inside," defense. You *could* leave Hell any time you wanted to, but everyone in Hell just chooses not to. But it's very hard to see how this could be the case given Christianity's other commitments. According to Christianity (or at least, according to the versions of Christianity that use the free will argument to justify Hell), anyone can repent at any time, at least during life. Even Hitler could have gone to Heaven if he had repented before dying. But if this is the case, people should be able to repent in Hell as well. It can't be that everyone who's gone to Hell is just so corrupt that there's no chance they'll ever choose to change, since Christianity holds that no one is that corrupt, not even the worst people on Earth. And most of the people in Hell are much less corrupt than Hitler! It simply doesn't make sense to say that there's always a chance for someone to change before they're dead, but after they're dead, it's absolutely set in stone that they'll stay the same way forever: What changed about them when they died? Did they lose their free will after dying? If they did, then using the importance of free will to defend Hell makes no sense.

The other problem about this view is that it implies that Hell must not actually be that bad. Hell is so nice, in fact, that every single person who goes there chooses to stay there for eternity. Now, some Christians who hold a revisionary view of Hell might see this as a good thing - it makes the doctrine more defensible. And that's true: If Hell is simply a less good place than Heaven, or a place where people who are somehow not able to enjoy the fruits of Heaven can live out their best (after)lives regardless, then its existence becomes a lot more defensible. But this is meant to be a defense of the ECT view, and on that view, it's by definition impossible for anyone to enjoy their time in Hell. It's literally the worst experience possible, such that no one could possibly want to be there.

The second defense is that Hell is outside of time, so it's not that people choose at the moment they die to go there and then are stuck there forever - rather, they are there timelessly, so there's never a time when they could choose to reverse that choice. But this view also seems to require some revisions of standard Christian doctrines. After all, it implies that Hell is not really ECT, but timeless conscious torment, and it would presumably imply the same thing about heaven - it's not eternal life, but timeless life. But Christianity is entirely built on the promise of eternal life! Now, maybe this was just a metaphor - when we talk about eternal life, we really just mean that it doesn't end because it's outside of time altogether, not that it doesn't end because it lasts infinitely long. But this either doesn't work, or doesn't save the free will defense of Hell from this counterargument.

To see why it doesn't work, consider what it is that makes the idea of Heaven so appealing. Part of it is the fact that you will get to experience joy forever. But in timeless heaven, you won't experience joy for an infinitely long time - in fact, you won't experience it for any time at all. What's so great about "eternal bliss" that doesn't even last a single Planck time?

The second part is that neither you, nor the people you love, are ever really gone. No one has to face oblivion because you'll never die in heaven - there's always just more of the future for you. But not so in a timeless Heaven! There is no *after*-life, just this one timeless "moment" (even calling it a moment is too much because that would give you a single instant in time) where you still exist. But that's it. No matter how you slice it, either death or one timeless point after death is when your consciousness will cease to exist: Depending on how your psychological states across time and non-time are linked, either death is really the end in exactly the same way naturalists think it is - the "lights go out" and you never have any experiences or sensations ever again - or your subjective experience of time ends with that timeless bit - basically, it feels to you like the timeless bit happens "after" the part that's in time, just as a time traveler could experience the year 1924 "after" he experienced 2024. But even in that latter possibility, your timeline still ends with the timeless "moment". You've just moved oblivion back by one infinitesimal point.

The third thing that make Heaven appealing is the idea that you'll get to see your dead loved ones again. And I guess this could technically be sort of true in a timeless Heaven. But you'd only see them for an interval of zero time. In other words, you wouldn't actually have time to do anything meaningful with them. You couldn't even tell them how much you missed them or what happened after they died. And after that, nothing. You get the change to see your loved ones one more time, but that's it, and you can't even do anything with it. You would need at least some non-zero interval if time to make this promise meaningful.

The same is true about the promise of uniting with God. Sure, it sounds pretty nice, but who really cares if it's just for a single non-instant, shorter (infinitely shorter, in fact) than the time it takes to blink an eye? Some would say that even that would be pretty significant - the experience of being united with God is so profound that just one instant of it would change my life. Except... there's no life left to change! I'm already dead, and aside from this one instant, there's nothing at all left for me.

Now, there is a workaround to all of these challenges. One could hold that, while Heaven is timeless, it's still infinite in some meaningful sense that makes it as if you had an infinite amount of time to experience joy, avoid oblivion, see your loved ones again, and unite with God. Perhaps it lacks literal physical time, but has some other aspect that's similar enough to be metaphorically treated as time, and that we can experience in a similar way. Perhaps it contains infinitely many conscious experiences that are linked in such a way that we feel a subjective time just like we do in the physical realm. This solves all the problems with a timeless Heaven above and makes the promise of eternal life seem meaningful again. It's no longer an empty promise but at worst a useful metaphor for what really happens. But this also destroys the defense that Hell is outside of time. We're now right back where we started: It may not have physical time, but it contains some aspect that's metaphorically enough like time to allow us to experience eternal bliss, do meaningful things with our loved ones and God, and never have an "end" to our experience. But if this is so, people in Hell will not have an "end" to their experiences or their ability to make choices after they choose Hell. There will always be metaphorical time left for them to change their mind, and always infinitely many metaphorical future hellish experiences that they can avoid by doing so.

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