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Eugene Earnshaw's avatar

I think one can take away an opposite conclusion from your discussion. As you probably know, scientific realism is a contested view. Pragmatists and instrumentalist agree with your discussion of science, but deny that scientific theories represent reality or are ‘true’ in a simple sense. What we know is that they are useful.

So the fact that there are structural similarities between science and ethics does little to establish realism. You need a separate argument. And the argument to establish moral realism is going to be much harder, because unlike science, the underlying theories are not based on predictive successes. No experiment ever has or will confirm whether our moral duty is to promote the greatest good for the greatest number.

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Michael Kowalik's avatar

There is a relevant difference between physical experimentation and moral experimentation: 1) A tree in the forest makes a mess (or basalt forms from magma) even if nobody is there to see it, whereas empirical consequences of moral wrongs suffer from observation bias insofar as we have no idea about the effects of moral wrongs committed in secrecy (this is an insurmountable confounder). There could be a difference in consequences for witnessed immoral acts vs those done in secret, which then could indicate that it is only our bias about what is immoral that is in fact immoral, not the acts that we consider immoral.

Moreover, quantifying the moral consequences in terms of “wellbeing” requires that it is standardised, and that standard proven as the ultimate and universal normative principle (the same for all agents and the highest for all agents), otherwise it is not a common measure but another bias.

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